Awful color

[yvonne12]

Sorry for not too nice headline but this is the truth.

This will be a thread with all the things I dont like anymore here in SX.

I have a 20/20 vision and have to say that this color is awful :eek:. It really hurts my eyes by looking at it.

Why did you change to this color Tim :confused:. I for one has really big problems with this color. It's very good that you didnt put it on the surfbar, because if you had I would have had to stop surfing SX. The splash pages I see from SX also has this color and it gives me migraine if I look at it too long.

This is also the reason why I have not been in this new forum since the change.


At first I really didnt mind that the monthly credits given out was not that high. And I still dont since at this point the delivery of the hits are not as good as they used to be, so I have more credits then I can use. But when our team is working hard for 1 month and end up in the top of 2 or 3 of the categories then we should have more then 1000 credits each for our job. 1000 credits for 1 month of hard work and at least 40.000 page views?? That is nothing. That is what I get in bonus in less then 1 day surfing in other TE's :mad: I am one of the "heavy surfers" and has always been, so my main reason for mentioning this is all the other members that dont have the possibility to surf as much as me and they do a great job here in SX but when the month is over it is not much left to show for it.


If you ad all the things that has changed during the last 6 months up, then it do matter. And sorry to say this again but if this dont change I have to stop surfing SX and I am almost positive that many other will to.

I know Tim that it is impossible to satisfy all members and I know that you do your best to serve all the members the best that you can but I can assure you that what I am saying here is the truth. So please reconsider the changes you have made and make this a TE that members will be proud of to promote. Many has already reduced their promoting of SX because the reward you get in other TE's and also delivering rate is much higher, so they rather go there.


Best Regards
Monica

[esuccess]

I don't know if it is because of the colour alone. The banner seems to be a lot bigger than the old one. Like on the Claim the word page.

Did you change the size Tim or is this an optical illusion caused by the different colour?

Caroline

[esuccess]

PS Not that I am curious or anything, I just like to know things LOL

Caroline

[inge]

I agree that the top banner (if you mean the big "StartXChange) is too big, but otherwise I disagree with most of your statement. My favorite color is purple so it's as far from orange as possible, but I feel quite comfortable with it.

I seriously doubt that the color has anything to do with it, but everything goes a little up and a little down. Variation is the only constant! :)

I feel comfortable with the layout of the forum, and although it's not my favorite color I think it's harmonic and tasteful.

This was just to express a different opinion. I'm very happy with StartXchange and the way Tim is doing things. Most of all, he really listens to the users, even to those who disagree. His attitude is admirable!

[lgglobal]

I like Tim, he is a great owner and hard worker.

However, the delivery has been slow, I am in top 20 today and only received 28 hits in first 6 hours of the day.

I do think the new colors are very bright, maybe some complimentary sunglasses with an upgrade. :)

Competition is no competition, its not fun. The reward is also very small.

You will see my name fall through the activity rank levels, I will be surfing another exchange until I hear things are different at SX

Glen

[esuccess]

I find the forum harder to read for another reason too.
There are so many words under each post.
The old forum, you would just have the post and the replies, and not all that white noise.

I prefer to focus on the content of what people are sharing.
Not to be distracted by all the forum frills.
That make no sense to anyone unless they are technical forum experts.

Caroline

[cdrich]

I agree Monica. Ugly colors, hard on my old eyes. But change is change and maybe Tim will make another change soon with the colors.
cdrich

[sctaz2004]

Everyone has their own opinions and here is mine:
I don't really like the color of the forum either. However I choose to use it because I like to know what is going on and I can also keep up with my team posts.
I for one will NOT be leaving StartXchange. Maybe there are other TEs that offer more but I have yet to find one with an owner like Tim or members like we have here. This is the ONLY TE that I surf daily and the ONLY forum I have EVER been an active member of. So Tim you will be stuck with me for a while yet:D no matter what color the forum is!!

[revjoybunny]

I agree with sctaz

I dont really like the colour I think with me its the stripes in the background as much as anything I have scotopic vision which means the words run into each other and do little worm tracks across the screen. So we have to realise that we are all different and Tim cant cater for everyone but he has for the majority it seems in the meantime there are things you can do to lessen the problems take more breaks and perhaps change the lightness of your monitor. We have to take responsibility for own issues that we can solve its not Tims fault that you have migraines anymore than its his that I have vision problems.

As Inga has said in the past take the bits that work and make it work for you.

Sorry if Im being harsh but in balance I have heard mostly good things about the changeover. And it is the individuals choice as to whether they surf or visit the forum.

[inge]

I wouldn't mind at all if the colors were changed, but I do prefer a little bright colors instead of the "female" pastel ones.
Is it only my impression, or is it really only females that complain about the current colors? :)

[xxclixxx]

I appreciate the feedback everyone!

[jeweledbluerose23]

Lol! Inge, it would seem that way, but being female myself I don't have a problem with the way the forum is now. Than again I am strange, and dislike pastel colors, not meaning to offend anyone here, but they are just to "girlie" for me.

Then again I don't have current health issues or have a problem with colors really effecting me in any real manner, so I don't have anything to complain about.

So far in my view of things Tim has done a great job at trying to keep things updated. Granted not all are gonna like it, but we just have to keep on going and make the best of things as best that we can.

[yvonne12]

I agree with sctaz

I dont really like the colour I think with me its the stripes in the background as much as anything I have scotopic vision which means the words run into each other and do little worm tracks across the screen. So we have to realise that we are all different and Tim cant cater for everyone but he has for the majority it seems in the meantime there are things you can do to lessen the problems take more breaks and perhaps change the lightness of your monitor. We have to take responsibility for own issues that we can solve its not Tims fault that you have migraines anymore than its his that I have vision problems.

As Inga has said in the past take the bits that work and make it work for you.

Sorry if Im being harsh but in balance I have heard mostly good things about the changeover. And it is the individuals choice as to whether they surf or visit the forum.

I hear you revroybunny and I also said that I know Tim is doing what ever he can to please us all. I am very happy with Tim as the owner of SX I didnt say anything else.

I do take breaks during a days surfing. I am a single, stay at home mom and have to take breaks. And as far as it goes to the brightness on my monitor it is turned down to the lowest point.

All the time that changes has been done someone has always complained. This is the first time I react in a negative way since becoming member last summer. And this part of the forum is for us to come with comments, suggestions etc to Tim.

We all have different opinions yes, and the reason why Tim has set up this part of the forum is for us to express our opinions. This is exactly what I have done now. I appreciate that your trying to tell me how to maybe make this better. But I have tried everything to make this better because I really do like and enjoy both Tim and SX. This is also the reason why I have not mentioned this before. When I have tried everything I can and it's not helping then I speak my mind.


Best Regards
Monica

[xxclixxx]

http://forums.startxchange.com/profile.php?do=editoptions

At the bottom of the page you can select a skin. The "Evo 2" one is red, try that and let me know what you think ;-)

[inge]

You have the right to your opinion Monica, and it's your right to express it. It's impossible to please everybody, but you can come close if you try. I think Tim will come up with something that will please most of us. He usually does, but if no one spoke their mind, he wouldn't know what to change.

[inge]

Well Tim, you posted that while I was writing, but the other skin was downright ugly, even to me who is quite color tolerant. :)

[revjoybunny]

I wasnt actually saying that Monica was wrong in expressing her opinion far from it I was trying provide a balanced view from another perspective and suggested things that helped me to cope with certain issues. I had no intent to offend.

I just tried the other colour scheme and I think it may well be better for me at least those stripes have gone lol I will give it a couple of days and see it is well known that colours affect how a person with scotopic vision sees things in fact some react differently to different colours for myself I have a pair of blue tinted glasses that help with reading because they stop the words moving about so tim if you can do a blue version...

The dyslexia now I have to use a high contrast setting on my computer to enable me to read things anyway. but thats enough of my issues.

Have you tried the High contrast settings Monica?

[yvonne12]

http://forums.startxchange.com/profile.php?do=editoptions

At the bottom of the page you can select a skin. The "Evo 2" one is red, try that and let me know what you think ;-)

Thank you Tim :D I will try it for a while to see if it is better for me.

Best Regards
Monica

[yvonne12]

I wasnt actually saying that Monica was wrong in expressing her opinion far from it I was trying provide a balanced view from another perspective and suggested things that helped me to cope with certain issues. I had no intent to offend.

I just tried the other colour scheme and I think it may well be better for me at least those stripes have gone lol I will give it a couple of days and see it is well known that colours affect how a person with scotopic vision sees things in fact some react differently to different colours for myself I have a pair of blue tinted glasses that help with reading because they stop the words moving about so tim if you can do a blue version...

The dyslexia now I have to use a high contrast setting on my computer to enable me to read things anyway. but thats enough of my issues.

Have you tried the High contrast settings Monica?

Hi revroybunny.

Since this change I have tried almost everything in my knowledge + everything in other surfers knowledge too :) But will try this red now for a couple of days and see how it goes. Thanx for your suggestions :)

Best Regards
Monica

[sctaz2004]

http://forums.startxchange.com/profile.php?do=editoptions

At the bottom of the page you can select a skin. The "Evo 2" one is red, try that and let me know what you think ;-)




Personally I like this red one MUCH better! Thanks Tim!

[xxclixxx]

LOL inge special treat for you, goto this page and create the color scheme you like:
http://beta.colorizeit.com/index.php?style=vb_evo

Then copy and paste the "copy URL" here and I'll see if others like it too. If they do (or if I like it also) then I'll install it just for you =P

Tim

[revjoybunny]

I know life can be very difficult when you have problems with vision etc I get migraines if I spend too much time on my computer which severely limits what I can do, in this age of computers when everything is supposed to be easier but for some its not. I use several programs on my computer but there is one which I have a very old version of called texthelp it needs upgrading and all it does is read almost everything spell everything predict text etc etc I love it and find it very helpful but the upgrade cost over $1.400 and is out of my purse strings at the moment.

[inge]

Thank you very much Tim but I don't think I'm the right person to do that. I probably I have a good sense of color harmony but in this case I will pass it over to those who have complained. I'm sure they are better color judges, so let them have a say here.

[revjoybunny]

I had a quick look at the colorizit page looks very interesting and easy enough to use perhaps the support dude should have a go.

[lajab5]

took awhile to get used to new colors, as for the stripes?? I'm one that never has liked stripes, but these I'm slowing getting used to.....LOL

Doing great work Tim, and support dude.

[esuccess]

Appreciate your feedback and input, Tim!
I am grateful that we can speak our minds even when we do not love and adore
every single change you make (would insert heart symbols if I were computer smart
just to make it funnier LOL)

I think the colour of the forum is ok, it is a more brownish kind of orange.
I wonder why the text keeps scrolling off the screen though, that is a bit annoying.
Maybe I should install the easy reader program that someone gave me a while back LAM.

Will try the different skin, if only to see what it is like. Thanks for pointing it out.

Caroline

[erzsebet108]

I think it's not a problem with the color itself, but the combination between the colors, background, fonts and so on. Maybe some of us are more sensible to one and less to the other. For example red with grey makes me a bit sad, and i like red. That's for me, maybe not for others.

The other problem is with our vision. Unfortunately some of us have problem with our eyes, and it's more comfortable with the lesser screen window resolution that's 800/600, the whole page being bigger (texts, images...). Many web designers create their pages according to higher screen resolution without seeing how they look in 800/600.
I've tried how it looks SX in 1024/768 screen resolution, and there is no problem. It's pretty good and nice, but in 800/600 not so much because, as many of us said, the head banner is too big.

But the design, colors, dimensions, placements,and so on, in general is very important in how to look a web page. The web designers know much better than me.

My friendly regards,
Erzsebet

[dehawkinz]

However, the delivery has been slow, I am in top 20 today and only received 28 hits in first 6 hours of the day.

Although the delivery mechanism tries to balance delivery across the 24 hours, sometimes it can be affected by number of people surfing - the fewer surfing, the slower the delivery :)

I have looked at your account, and it is back on target now :)

DeHawkinz

[lgglobal]

Hi Dehawkinz,
I understand things try to balance, though I thought it strange that the average surfers for that time period was over 80.

I have noticed an improvement in delivery today, and for that I am thankful.
As usual, SX tries its best to provide the best it can.

Glen

[eagle27]

http://forums.startxchange.com/profile.php?do=editoptions

At the bottom of the page you can select a skin. The "Evo 2" one is red, try that and let me know what you think ;-)

No I prefer the Orange to that Red the stripes are gone, I suppose you get used to it. Personally I do not really care what sin it has I am more interested in the content and information sharing. SX as a whole is like a large extended family full of supportive people. As long as I can see it and read it feel free to pick and change colors as you see fit Tim.

Sandra:)

[revjoybunny]

I signed back into the forum this morning and it had gone back to the default oragne colour does this mean everytime I want to use the forum I have to select the red one??

[xxclixxx]

Shouldn't be, but try it. If it keeps happening something's not right. I did run something that updated team leader accounts this morning, so I could be resetting that by accident..

[revjoybunny]

ok I will let you know tomorrow

[suryan]

You're right Rev Joy. It's not Tim's fault if Monica (or I) get migraines and this new site design is a huge trigger.

You're also right that we could change our monitor settings so this site it not so bright and "in your face" so we can tolerate it. But doing so would make every other site we visit far too dark and nearly unuseable. So would you suggest we change our monitor settings every time we load SX and only work in the SX pages, then close these down and set our monitors for the rest of the Internet? I hope that's not what you expect us to do when you suggested that "We have to take responsibility for own issues that we can solve".

Since the relaunch with the new design I have slipped from the middle of Level 6 to nearly the bottom of Level 7 because I get such bad headaches I can't surf nearly as much. I know that many others have problems with the new design and are not surfing as much either. Hmm, lots of people not surfing as much, and the delivery rate went down. Do you think maybe there are even MORE people who hate this new design and aren't surfing as much but haven't posted here because they can't stand being in here long enough to post? Do you see the connection between surfing fewer pages and the delivery backlog? I'll bet if we were all surfing as much as before Tim wouldn't have had to adjust the surfing bonuses.

Sorry, but even though I think Tim is great and he has been very responsive to member feedback, this new design is just awful (sorry Tim), and the only way for me to protect my health is to surf here as little as possible until he can fix it.

[suryan]

I didn't notice that skin option before Tim. Switched to the red skin and it's a HUGE improvement - even if the red is a bit bright. At least the stripes are GONE, which is a vast improvement. I can actually read the posts now without feeling like I'm looking at an orange pinwheel.

So thank you for pointing out that option. I just wish you had the same option for the rest of the site because it has the same problems.

[xxclixxx]

While I do want to make things easier to view for everyone, I do want to state that activity has more than tripled since the new design, and the delivery rate of traffic is due to too high of surfing bonuses. The surfbar isn't changed so I don't think too many have stopped surfing over it.

I'll see how the other forum background works on the main website, since the stripes seem to be a big complaint.

[xxclixxx]

http://www.startxchange.com/members/?newbg=1
http://www.startxchange.com/members/

Compare the two.. To me the non orange stripes makes the rest of the page way bright.

[esuccess]

I had selected red yesterday and when I went back to the forum today, it was still red.

I still have to scroll all the way to the right if I wish to read everything.

Caroline

[suryan]

Thought I should clarify the lower surfing point in my original reply.

I'm not surfing less because of the surfbar. I'm surfing less because I like to monitor my stats and those pages are in the new design so I can't keep track the way I would like. Also, it's my way of protesting the new design (sorry Tim). I'm sure others have decreased their surfing rate as well, and if they're doing it the way I am it will not decrease the Members Surfing count (I either surf SX along with the other exchanges in my set for 4 or 5 passes, then skip it for the next 4 or 5 passes, or I surf it every other pass).

[xxclixxx]

Ok no problem Su, I just didn't want others reading it to think there was a mass exodus and StartXchange was doomed =P

Did you check out the links posted?

[dehawkinz]

Personally I have no preference either way between the striped and stripeless - they both look similar to me - but then I had no objection to the stripes in the first place :)

DeHawkinz

[suryan]

Both are too bright to me.

There are two major differences between the forum (which is now better with the red skin) and either of the two versions of the SX site you linked to above.

1. In the forum the header has just the logo, while in both of your site links the header still has that HUGE bright orange header image that spans the entire top.

2. In the forum, the page background of the Red skin is a light grey shading (which softens the page), while in the existing SX site the background is the orange and white diagonal stripes and the proposed fix has a pure bright white background.

[neopetlover]

Ahh - the red is better 4 me - thanks for pointing out that we have the option to change the scheme.

[xxclixxx]

Hi Su

That's odd, the proposed fix is supposed to be using the same background as the forum. I'll see if I can get in touch with the designer to create a not so big not so bright version for the header. I really like the way it is, so I'm thinking about having a style setting for the main members page the way the forum does.

How is the menu system in the new design? Is that too bright or is it primarily the header?

Tim

PS. Thanks for the feedback on this. It's members like you who help me understand the problem that has gotten StartXchange to where it is.

[gide83]

I wonder why is Orange so awful to some teammates here!
Tim, I love it, I read from Pro offline Advertisers that Orange
color is good for advertising nowadays. I'm not going to change
it to Red, I tried it, so my eyes voted: Orange for sure!

[suryan]

The header image is 900 x 196. That's what makes it so "in your face". The width is an issue because it's wider than all of the other exchanges so it forces me to use larger windows than needed for everything else, but if you need it that wide to accommodate all the info on the special pages (like the team and stats pages), at least reducing the height of the header image would be a huge help. The SX logo lettering doesn't need to be that large, so reducing the size of the letters would probably let you get the height down to no more than 100px. That alone would help.

Yes, the nav menu is also an issue because there is soooo much of it. Again, reducing the height of each arrow would help some.

Regardless whether you can get the designer to make any of these changes, the bright orange will still be an issue. For some reason my eyes just rebel when they are assaulted by so much orange since it's a monochromatic page (orange is a red hue). Just adding a photo or other graphic image with true colors would help to soften it, but adjusting the hue or depth of the orange might also be needed. I'll play with a page and see if I can come up with something.

[frankieteo]

Well Tim, you posted that while I was writing, but the other skin was downright ugly, even to me who is quite color tolerant. :)

I tried the other skin & I agreed with Inge that it's rather ugly.

Maybe for the default skin, try take the orange stripe away which I felt it really hurt the eye.

Lately, quite a fair bit of TEs had change to new look also & some are not so perfect also. Overall, I still can accept most of the changes as long as it loads smoothly.

Regards,
Frankie

[suryan]

Here's a screenshot of one of the pages I captured. I played with it to see if I could tweak the colors and saturation. I think it's somewhat of an improvement since I removed a portion of the header image and softened the look. See if you agree that it's any better.

http://ultimatebizpro.com/images/SX_pagefix.jpg

Personally, I still think it's too orange - although it's leaning more towards a bronzy color now, but the orange is a bit muddy in my opinion.

[webbiznet]

It's not too hard to detect that few of 'skyrockettes' getting really upset with the new Forum colors... :D
Well gals, why didn't you changed it? Didn't you know anyone can easily do it?
Just scroll down at the bottom of the page, there is drop-down menu, you simply change 'CA Evo Orange' to 'CA Evo'. That's all to it. 'Skin' becomes nice plane gray with dark-red borders, you'll like it, I hope...
(I'm curious will the migrena go off?) Just kidding.

Seriously, I prefer the original skin, just as it is, since the new Forum started. :)

Personally I'd never be leaving my favorite TE (whenever it is) just because I'm not satisfied with colors (LoL), getting not (enough?) rewards, or so...
We are all here for promoting our sites, earning credits by surfing or buying them, that's OK.
Rewards are an extra benefits, as well as prizes, they are in form of gift.
Than, how one can be mad if he/she doesn't get more rewards, prizes or gifts?!

That's my personally point of view, not wanting anyone be offend.

Hmm, maybe you should try to surf a bit less for a while, and not to leave SX or replace them with any other inferior TE.

Have great days,

Stefan

[webbiznet]

Sorry for doubled post, but must say I have not seen there's more than 1 page (5 so far!), so I posted without knowing the answer was given already by Tim. Apologize.

I wonder why is Orange so awful to some teammates here!
Tim, I love it, I read from Pro offline Advertisers that Orange
color is good for advertising nowadays. I'm not going to change
it to Red, I tried it, so my eyes voted: Orange for sure!

Just to contribute to discussion of colors - totally agree with gide83.

Stefan.

[msbeejay]

The orange is better than the red...

Color schemes are not very easy to predict as to how they will be received by others...
What you like does not matter, it is the will of others that determines a sites' colors...
And sometimes it takes a total makeover (or template change in some cases) to determine
what your visitors or members like the best...

[suryan]

I don't know if you just jumped in here at the end or someone pointed you to our posts specifically Stefan, but I suggest you always read the entire thread before commenting. (I see from your second post that you did eventually read it all.)

If you had read the thread first, you would have seen that it's the site design that we are having problems with, not just the forum. If it were only the forum we could still use the rest of the site.

You would also have seen that the Skin option in the forum was posted several days ago and we have already made that switch, so that is no longer an issue.

And finally you would have seen that our issues are not just petty "I don't like the color", and we are not just compaining - we are offering constructive solutions. Our issues are medical, and we are standing up for all other members who may also have medical issues that are exacerbated by this new design. If you had epilepsy and your favorite site suddenly launched a new design that featured a string of blinking lights that triggered a seizure, you would have to either let the site owner know how it is affecting you or just leave that site.

We LOVE SX, and we do NOT want to leave. So if we can let Tim know which specific elements are causing problems for us AND offer specific suggestions so he can fix them, that's what we will do. I care enough about SX and Tim that I am willing to take time from my surfing to do whatever I can to help. I believe that we are contributing more to the exchange by doing this than others who read one or two posts then jump in making erroneous assumptions and profess to have all the answers for the poor damsels in distress.

As you said, that's my personal point of view, no offense intended.

BTW, I am cooperating with Tim on this issue and he has been amazingly responsive and helpful - as I knew he would.

[xxclixxx]

Hi All

I'm going to lock this thread now. If you find the colors are giving you headaches or what not, PM me and I can work with you on getting a better look for you. I'm talking with Su and she's helping me create a version that is better for her viewing. Once it's as good as I can get it, there will be an option inside the main members area for you to change it.

Tim