Team Competitions - Your Choice

[xxclixxx]

Hi All

Would you prefer bringing back Top Average Surfing or keeping Loyalty Points?

Tim

[inge]

Yes please.
The loyalty point idea is fine but it doesn't work so well for small teams. And personally I prefer to keep my team small until we have all the top surfers with us! :)

[sflewis]

I don't think it matters. The same teams win all the prizes every month. I think if you want to get more teams involved, you need to limit a team to winning one prize category per month.

[success2gether]

I agree with you Inge :) I voted for Top Average Surfing also.
Like I've said in the past, it takes time to build a great team of surfers.
I enjoy helping the new members who join my team but I am finding that
new members are not very responsive lately :( That's ok thou, I just keep doing my best :)

That's a good idea sflewis. If more teams could win something, I think Team Spirit would increase.

[moose76]

I was wondering why not both?

loyal point plus average?

Moose76

[redi2wk]

moose76
Team Clean suggested this. I tend to agree.
Surf avg. only if not both.

[nsant46]

I choose top average surfing because of we small teams can't advantage from loyalty points.
Noemi

[greoff]

The choices seem rather limited.

How about both? Is there a reason its limited to one or the other?

I think the loyalty points are simply encouraging giant, impersonal teams. Once the giant teams formed, amassing huge loyalty points is effortless. The loyalty point system is impossible to win with small teams. But the loyalty point system certainly removes all pressure from the team member to surf hundreds of pages every single day.

On the other hand, I think that average surfing encourages smaller, tighter teams at the expense of being far more demanding/brutal on the team members.

Personally, I think average surfing is far harder to manage than amassing a ton of casual surfers.

But I can seriously argue either side of that fence and see strong merits to each side of this debate... which is why I don't think this issue will ever be settled.

[xxclixxx]

Why not Both
It would further reduce the prizes, when some already complain about the prizes being too small..

Average Loyalty Points
What would you think about that?

[lajab5]

I picked Average Loyalty Points....wouldn't that give the smaller teams a fairer chance?

[erzsebet108]

Ok, some of you already read my opinion about this subject in the old forum.
It's the same now, too. I've voted for Top Average Surfing.
Not only because of the small number of members of some teams, this also is a point of view to be considered. But mainly because not all of us can surf every day, some only in the evening, others only in week-ends, others only in the job-days and so on, and many of us when we can.

The average surfing, i think reflects enough well our loyalty, so i think it's better. If we consider that not all the members surf in a team. Ok those members anyway are not rewarded, so they loose, but why have to loose the others who surf? That's the point i think.

My friendly regards,
Erzsebet

[alan36]

I voted for Top Average Surfing, but it's not hard to login and click 20 sites for the Loyalty Points . Maybe change it up from month to month.
We may run into the same problem we have now. If someone can't login and surf 20 times for the Loyalty Points then they won't login and surf for Top Average either.

[topflight]

I voted (no preference) because I do not see a fair way for either system to help all teams.

I like the team I am on just because of the great leadership and information given. It is good to associate with people in the know and have a sharing spirit.

To be fair amoung all teams and encourage being a member of a team, the system would have to be able to reward all team members and all teams. If the teams added value to Startxchange, as oppossed to not being a team member, then reward them in preportion to that value.

Many times competition is more harmful than helpful. With the team competition and the complete-a-word where you have a game of chance and the teams can be stacked where no other team has an even chance, it is more harmful than helpful to the teams and to Startxchange.

[yvonne12]

The best thing for the smaller teams is to use the average surfing. Because then small teams with great surfers can make their way to the top of the category.

By using the Loyalty points as it is now, it only encourage teams to get as many members as possible even if they only surf 20 pages a day. And the small teams with 40 - 60 members can not in their wildest dreams compete with the teams that has 100+ members.


Best Regards
Monica

[ameastre]

I voted for loyalty because I don't have to be a PITA to people who simply cannot afford to spend all day surfing (many people have higher priority obligations such as jobs, kids, and actually running businesses).

However, I think going for both loyalty and surfing averages sounds great. The arguments of who benefits (large and small teams) are very much valid and I don't think anybody would really be losing for more credits to be distributed out as part of team competitions. Seeing as it doesn't cost real money for Tim to hand out credits and the jackpot is in addition to what's earned already through surfing, not pulled from the leader.

[cjbart]

I like both...

[xxclixxx]

Seeing as it doesn't cost real money for Tim to hand out credits

Well actually it does, but it wouldn't cost any additional money if the jackpot was divided up in 4 categories rather than 3, the total would be the same ;-)

[neopetlover]

Loyalty Average would be my preference, Surfing Average my second choice (at they both judge the team on their combined efforts)

[bjantiques]

As Sharon said
it makes no difference its always the same teams at the top.

[lgglobal]

Same teams always at top???

Thats not right.
I am member 12 of the Skyrockets, and we won top average surfing in the first month of the teams life.

I voted top average surfing.
I think the teams should be limited in size to spread the surfers out further.

Saying one team can only win one prize is wrong. If its a COMPETITION, winners win, end of story.

Many surfers jumped from other teams to join the skyrockets because they are a strong team. Its kinda like a jockey jumping to another horse mid race. I do not believe in that.

I say finish a race before you change horses.

Maybe scrap teams comp, and add those credits used for teams into the "claim a prize" pages...that way people who use SX get the benefits.

They are my thoughts

Glen

[edger]

Top Average Surfing I like this...

[eagle27]

I have not changed my opinion and those that read my posts in the old forum would no be surprised to see I voted Average Surfing as apposed to Loyalty. I know that it is impossible for a small team to compete against a team twice it's size or more on loyalty, however average is a different story. Our Team would be number 1 for average surfing as apposed to number 5 for loyalty.

Sandra

[bct]

I voted Average Surfing as apposed to Loyalty... !

[xxclixxx]

I came to the decision. The new categories for next month will be:

Average Surfing, Average Loyalty, and Total Referring

By having it averaged out, it'll be more fair for all team sizes. Average Surfing will allow those who surf weekends only to count, and average loyalty will allow those who can only surf a small amount a day to count. Total Referring will stay total and not average because the average for all teams is less than one =P

I think the whole decision will be on each individual team leader. Do they want their team to be slow and steady (loyalty) or do they want to be weekend warriors (surfing)? Or maybe they won't really be competing per say, but just being a team who hopes they might win.